8. A comment I decided to post:


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8. A comment I decided to post:
04.19.05 (8:28 am)   [edit]

This is such a divisive issue. I have read both sides here, yours and your detractor's.

I have crossed picket lines to have abortions, a terrified child. I still associate fig newtons and apple juice with comfort, nausea, and guilt. I have shared a room and spoken with an older mother whose teenage daughter (then my age) would not speak to her because she decided not to keep the unintended pregnancy when she was 40.


I have stood before a state senate, arguing in favor of a waiting period and informed consent, confessing the actual number of abortions that I had had, and the ages. I was 7 months pregnant with my first child at that time. I saw my name plastered across the headlines on the front page the next day, my secrets no longer secret.

I often say that I believe that things happen for a reason. I believe there is a reason that I ended up with 5 children, the last of them twins. Penance or forgiveness? Or simply irony?

It's true that your grandmother's story is yours, and a poignant one, too. Many women of her time still died in childbirth, even. Her choices were not easy then. A woman's choices are not easy now. At least the choice to have a child outside of marraige is more viable. And a man can be held responsible (often) for his share in the matter. But the choices are no easier.

Every where I go, I find this issue to be polarizing. It's something I can and cannot understand. I have travelled to both ends. No one I meet there seems to think that there is a middle ground.


But I stand in the middle. It's the only place I feel safe.

 


posted by: 11thACR (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (8:36 am)

Very Good Point...




posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (8:46 am)

Perhaps we should stand in our own place and let others make their way in the world. I wouldn't dream of inflicting my opinion on another human being, not on a matter such as her own body. You know, Alt, I do believe I may have met my match when it comes to 'baring all' - in fact, you may have surpassed me.

I think this world, and especially the United States is too caught up in other people's business. We could do with less of that.



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (9:02 am)

Reply to: lindy
Well, I came here rather naked. All you have to do is reread Alt 101 to be reminded about that. What is it about tblog that allows me to be naked even once I am no longer anonymous?

This issue is one I have studiously avoided. It's magnetic nature is incomparable to all others. At it's very core is the definition and nature of life. How could it not be devisive? How could people not want others to agree that their view is the morally correct one?

It's no wonder there appears to be no middle ground.

Anyway, regarding your comment: Letting others make their own way in the world ALWAYS comes with legal restrictions. At the very nature of this one is the definition of what is killing and what is not. The nature of a person's right to control their own body or not. Unfortunately, this makes the issues not entirely "private" in nature, but quite the business of everyone, in our "democracy".

But my jumping into the fray is like throwing a pebble into the ocean. It will have no effect. It's not really even meant to. An unlike the act of tossing a pebble, it's considerably less peaceful.




posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (9:09 am)

Reply to: 11thACR
Thanks.



posted by: trekguy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (10:30 am)

Love the discourse between you and lindy. This may be a cop-out but I'm going to have to defer to you women on this one. I don't feel I have any say in the matter as the woman ends up carrying the child. I do belive it is a terribly personal decision betwwen a woman, her doctor and God. So perhaps I set in the middle ground myself, taking neither side.

Re: on being naked, as in exposing your inner or "real" self. I feel like this too at times, and at others I feel very private. I am a filp-flopper I admit it. Some here maintain a persona in their Blogs. I'd find that hard to do on a consistant basis! I think part of why I write is becasue I do want ot expose myself and ideas to the world to get feedback, sometimes to make a statement.

Once again you've got me thinking agan!!! Damn and BLESS you!!



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (10:56 am)

Reply to: trekguy
Damnation and blessing. Sounds about right. :oD



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (11:34 am)

Reply to: altricial

Point made and taken. I shall clarify. With scientific proof that a fetus is not formed enough to feel and register pain (oh boy, I see you coming now...) I believe a woman should make her own choices. Again, providing that a baby (as opposed to a partially formed fetus) is not being harmed. Yes, it is a touchy topic. I see the other side forming even as I write... and rightfully so... I am not pro-life or pro-abortion. I've just seen so much opinion being shoved down people's throats in this country. In Germany, abortion is a form of birth control and as long as you beat that first trimester, there really isn't any kind of heated debate. Perhaps that is because Germans generally don't discuss topics of such a personal nature outside of immediate family.

I realize people feel strongly, the need to ump in and steer the nation in the direction they feel is right. It would just be nice if people would step back and realize there are other ways and that their way isn't necessarily what is right for others. I have no idea what I am saying at this point.

Your Alt 101 is a raw and open layer tucked off to the left for the inquisitive to stumble on to.I recommend it for anyone who wants to a) know more about you and b) discover a blueprint for soulbaring.

No wonder you can toss closeted secrets out like factoids... I don't mind admitting you run circles around me in this...



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (11:36 am)

Reply to: trekguy

Apparently, Alt and I have this understanding that whatever we say is to be systematically pulled apart until little resemblence of the original sentiment remains. -sigh- good stuff.



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (11:40 am)

Reply to: lindy
Do you think it's a sort of competitiveness? Our little game, that is? That's what I've thought for some time. Some really amazing, confident and frighteningly intelligent women bring that out in me. Whatever it is, I'm glad we have it.



posted by: FinalyFree (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (11:52 am)

I am firmly in the middle myself. The only thing I know for sure is I believe in a woman's right to choose. I don't feel like it's my place to make any moral judgements one way or another. The decision of abortion is a very personal one. Each case is as indivdual as the woman making it. I agree with you when you say the choices are not easy now nor have they ever been. But there are legal choices, women haven't always had that option.



posted by: trekguy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (11:57 am)

Reply to: lindy
Absolutely! I love it.

I love the way the human mind works, the thoughts, the felings, so complex, capiable of such beauty, such unspeakable horror,of such feeling and all shades of meaning in between.



posted by: billlyryan (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (3:52 pm)

I'll stand there with you friend.



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (7:20 pm)

Reply to: FinalyFree
I have trouble sometimes deciding where the middle is. I want to say I'm glad that it's legal. That it has to be. But then I want to say "don't make it so easy." People have called me a liar when I tell them that abortion is "sold" to young frightened girls. Qualms are pushed aside and medical facts are eliminated. I've been banned from websites for relating my experiences. When pro-choice advocates won't hear the truth, I become frustrated. When pro-lifer's won't face reality. I've never ever seen an issue more devisive than this one. Oh damn. Stupid soapbox came out again.

Shannon, you are the coolest. Really. Will you be my sister? I think you already are. Besides. We wonderful women who start with 4 have to stick together!



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (7:22 pm)

Reply to: billlyryan
Awww, thanks!



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (7:38 pm)

Reply to: altricial

*cowers in fear of Altricial... backs away in frantic search for a weapon.......



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (7:39 pm)

Reply to: trekguy

Goodness. That thought made me tired. I think I need to rest now...



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.19.05 (7:46 pm)

Reply to: lindy
Hey! I thought I would charm you with the "really amazing, confident and frighteningly intelligent women" bit.....

*bluff called, Altricial turns herself into a cute koala bear. No one can resist them.*



posted by: simeon (reply)
post date: 04.20.05 (3:52 am)

Wow, lots of people claiming to be in the "middle ground" here. I don't really see any middle ground myself but many still claim to be there.



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.20.05 (7:08 am)

Reply to: altricial

*searches for proof that a Koala is actually a bear....

*muffles laughter at Alt's after-the-fact-beet-red-countenance...



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.20.05 (10:09 am)

Reply to: lindy
yep. you got me there. I don't really have the genetic ability to blush, but I do stammer. But aren't I cute??? You know you just want to cuddle me....



posted by: FinalyFree (reply)
post date: 04.20.05 (10:35 am)

Reply to: altricial
Oh ya we're already sisters remember? lol We know we're insane dealing with all these kids, we must travel these path's together.

I couldn't agree with you more concerning the ease of abortions. If you've got $500 you can have one done. I sat with a friend in a clinic once and just looked around at all the young faces, young girls and boys. I wondered what their parents would say if they knew. But like you I am conflicted when I dwell too much on the issue, because I start to wonder if it weren't so easy how many unwanted babies would there be out there born to 16 yr olds? Pass the syrup...looks like I'm gonna be waffling on this for awhile, lol.

btw I think you're the coolest ;)



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.20.05 (12:45 pm)

Reply to: altricial

hahahaha. Yes indeed, especially now that I know you are apparently a really really round Koala, according to Rizi. hee hee hee. Ain't I awful? hahaha!



posted by: altricial (reply)
post date: 04.20.05 (1:13 pm)

Reply to: lindy
well, who on earth would want to cuddle a skin-and-bones koala?

besides...koalas ALWAYS have the munchies.



posted by: lindy (reply)
post date: 04.21.05 (6:14 am)

Reply to: altricial

hahahahaha. true story.

(((((((((((Koala)))))))))))

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